Me? Byron Harvey. Husband of one lovely wife. Father of
three wonderful kids. Unaffiliated politically;
conservative/libertarian in political philosophy. NASCAR fan. Consumer of Quizno’s Subs and Krispy Kreme donuts. Collector of
memorabilia featuring UVa athletes. Founder and
Commish Emeritus of Armchair Football League.
And, unbelievably, considered “opinionated” by some people. Feature
that…
I Hope You Dance
September 9th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
This bears saying as I celebrate 50 years; take away from it
what you will. For a number of years, like many of you, undoubtedly, I
harbored a list of things I would like to try (see “An Abbreviated
Bucket List” for the current list, or at least part of it), things that I
said, “you know, I’d love to do that…someday”. I don’t know what
really clicked for me last year; perhaps it was the subtle knowledge
that this day was approaching, a significant life milestone, reminding
me again of my mortality. But what happened was that I decided to go
for it. And so I started playing tennis, instead of just thinking about
it, as I had been. And so I took up acting, instead of just thinking
about it, as I had been. And so on. It’s a principle that I hope to
continue to follow, instead of finding myself one day looking back and
saying, “I wish I had…”
Encapsulated in song, it’s a wish I give you. “And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance.
Count My Blessings
September 9th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
A few weeks back, I found myself humming the old Christian
classic, “Count Your Blessings”. Right then and there, I decided that
on my fiftieth birthday, one of my closing posts would be “50 Blessings
at 50″. Some of these will strike you as obvious, while others might, I
hope, prompt you to consider things that perhaps many of us take for
granted, and count them as your blessings as well. Here goes:
50 Blessings at 50
Being born in America. Statistically, there was a 1-in-20 chance
this would happen. When we count our blessings, we often overlook this
one, it seems to me. What a huge difference it has made in all of our
lives (at least the Yanks among us, eh, Graham?).
Being born in good health, and continuing that good health more or
less unabated for these 50 years. What an incredible, incredible
blessing. I wake up every morning feeling good (well, unless I play
tennis the night before…).
Being born with a good (I think) and inquiring mind that has always made me want to know and do more.
Being born to a Christian mom and a dad who would become one when I was still an impressionable kid.
Having as a mother a woman who taught me all the right things—not only by actual teaching but by living.
Having as a father the finest man I have ever known. Seriously.
Having a wonderful sister with whom I’ve never had a serious fight, argument, or disagreement—and expect never to.
Knowing all but one of my grandparents—and having an “extra grandmother” (due to divorce) who was always just “Grandma” to me.
Being part of a church, as a child, where I understood enough of the gospel to make a decision to follow Christ at an early age.
Growing up in a neighborhood and at a time in which I could play and
do “normal kid stuff” without ever worrying that some freak would
kidnap or molest me.
Being able to be involved in athletics, and to experience some
success as an athlete, and all of the sheer joy that comes from playing
for the love of the game. This love continues to this day.
Becoming part of a church, as a young teen, which nurtured my walk
with Christ and provided me opportunities to develop leadership skills.
Through that church, I became acquainted with several men who would
greatly mold my life:
Pastor Bob Alderman. I had the distinct privilege of being under
the teaching of one of the finest Bible teachers I have ever heard.
Youth Pastor Steve Futrell, whose influence in my life is best
measured, not in the short time he was my Youth Pastor, but in the
massive impact he made in my life.
Bible Teacher Walter Craymer, who was a gem. Period. I consider it
one of the top 2-3 honors in my entire life that, after his passing,
and after the family went through Dr. Craymer’s personal library to
claim what they wanted, I was selected to have the next “crack” at it. I
still find that to be an absolutely incredible thing.
Attending a great Christian high school, and being part of a great youth group during that time period.
Being given opportunities, even as a teenager, to develop and
exercise leadership skills. I developed confidence and at least a
measure of proficiency which has stood me in good stead throughout life,
due in significant measure to people who saw something in me which they
considered good potential. Sometimes, it’s not what’s there, but what
other people believe they see, that makes the difference.
Attending a Christian college which, while having certain tendencies
which today I would label “legalistic”, nonetheless provided me with a
good grounding in the Bible and ministry ability.
Attending a fine seminary which provided much of the same.
Being able to graduate from each debt-free.
Having been exposed to some great books, and having been influenced
by some great men and women who wrote those books. I developed a love
of reading as a child that I have, thankfully, never lost.
Marrying a beautiful, wonderful wife who has been devoted and committed for over 28 years.
Having a good cook for a wife. The battle of the beltline is a constant…
Being “Dad” to three wonderful kids: Anthony Trenton,
Brent Michael, and
Chiannon Destiny.
Having a wonderful extended family, including great in-laws and
nephews and nieces and the like. I enjoy my sister and her family, as
well as Karen’s siblings and their families. It’s always great to get
together.
Serving the folks at First Baptist, Bassett, Virginia, first as
Youth Pastor and then, for a period of a little over a year, as Interim
Pastor. These fine people put up with my mistakes and let me “cut my
teeth” there, pastorally-speaking, and I love them for it.
Finding, at First Baptist, a great ministry mentor, my friend Lew Bennett. Lew is a true pastor and a great friend to this day.
Serving the folks at Brentwood Baptist, High Point, NC, as pastor.
Serving the folks at Fellowship Community Church, Mercer, PA for
over 13 years as pastor. This was, and in my heart always will be in
the right sense of the word, “my church”. I love those folks dearly.
Serving the good folks of Red Oak, an Evangelical Free Church, in Marietta, GA for 3½ years as pastor.
For that matter, having had the privilege of being, for 17 years, a
part of the Evangelical Free Church of America, an ordained EFCA pastor
for ten, now. I love this movement; I am deeply impressed by the
tremendous servants of God I’ve come to know through it; though I’m away
from it for a season, I anticipate reuniting with the EFCA when the
opportunity presents itself.
Being gifted by God to teach and preach in a way that folks have told me has blessed them. Soli Deo Gloria.
Being able to use that gift in teaching the Walk Thru the Bible experience. I want to do that more!
The opportunity, on many occasions, to help people place their faith
in Christ as Savior, and just as importantly, to look back now and see
many of them who have grown and developed in their walks with Jesus.
What a blessing, to see people become committed followers of Jesus.
Being able to travel a lot and visit much of the continental U.S., as well as a few foreign countries.
Two of those travels having been missions trips, the opportunity to impact people cross-culturally for Christ.
Having some of the most wonderful friends in the world. I truly
cherish my friendships, and if I have a regret about being in pastoral
ministry for so many years, it’s that my moves have made it such that
I’ve not lived very close to some of my closest friends. But I have
friends of integrity and good humor who truly make life a delight when
I’m in their presence.
Strange as it sounds, having a wonderful pet, our Jack Russell
terrier, SweePea. She is my first dog; never had one ’til I was 40.
This little critter is a joy to come home to (and helps me understand
the proverb: “may you become the person your dog thinks you are.”).
Working a great new job that I am truly enjoying, with some new
friends who make the experience very pleasant and (usually, at least)
fulfilling.
Living in a great place, Atlanta metro. I enjoy it very much. For that matter, I’ve enjoyed living most places we’ve lived.
Having a nicer home than I ever anticipated having. It’s amazing
that we have been blessed to have such a nice home—and it’s a blessing
to be a blessing to others.
Having the blessing of financial stability, particularly in these difficult financial times. My Source is not my job…
Having, now that we are in the process of looking for a new church
home (for the first time in our lives) some great options, including a
church that is looking like a good fit. While I might bemoan some of
the directions I see evangelical Christian faith taking, I’m grateful
that there are many, many faithful churches that get the gospel right.
Having been very blessed to not know much tragedy that came very
close to home. Nobody in my immediate family, nor my wife’s immediate
family, has experienced divorce (8 marriages; 8 stories of success).
Nobody in our immediate families has died suddenly or “before their
time”. Readers will know that the last two years have seen the tragic
passing of two very close friends, Rusty Snyder and Bobby Edwards.
These were quite painful, and I still miss these brothers dearly. These
were also, in my life, quite rare. I am truly blessed in this regard.
Having laughed a whole lot in life. A whole lot. What a blessing
to be able to laugh, particularly at oneself—and goodness knows, I do
enough goofy stuff to make myself and others laugh…
Oh, and with football season at hand, having the good sense to be a Pittsburgh Steeler fan. I just had to throw that in…
Being an optimist. I believe that with God, all things are
possible, and that pessimism is ungodly. I look forward to the future.
I’m 50, and my life is assumedly more than half-over, but I am excited
about the time God will give me in the future. It is a gift, an
adventure to live. I wouldn’t trade it.
Finally, having an eternity to look forward to in the presence of
Jesus, surrounded by the saints in a place where every tear will be
wiped away.
I've now answered,as best I could, Bob's questions for me, but the
subject isn't done yet, because I want to finish with two posts that are
somewhat related, one looked at from the viewpoint of how I, as a
Christian, believe our society ought to deal with the question of
homosexuality, and second, how Christians themselves ought to deal with
homosexuals themselves. A quick word before I begin (and some of my
readers may not like this, nor some of the other things I say in this
and the next post; brace yourselves): I think that for a lot of
Christians, the response to my delineation of two different viewpoints
above might spark the question, aren't the answers one and the same?
Shouldn't society deal with the issue of homosexuality in the same way
as Christians ought to?? To which my answer is, simply, No!, in this
respect: we are not a theocracy in America. This is
disappointing to some, and heretical to others, to hear me say this, but
while I agree that basic Christian principles are clearly built into
the warp and woof of American society, and while our founding fathers
all acknowledged some deity (though I'm convinced that few were nearly
as 'evangelical' as either we'd like 'em to be, or as some people would
tell the story), and thus America owes much to the teachings of the
Bible, we nonetheless live in a pluralistic society,I'd argue that the
roots of a respectful, truly tolerant society come directly from the
Bible! Again, I do not argue that Christians ought to not take the
appropriate place at the table; we certainly should, and we should seek
to bring our faith into every endeavor of life. But that is an
altogether different thing than saying, for instance, that we should
adopt, say, Old Testament laws for dealing with homosexuals. I do not
believe this is appropriate in our society; we can't with integrity just
make the wholesale leap from God's law for Israel straight into 'this
is how we ought to do it in America', and start lynching homosexuals.
Get the point?
In a nutshell, I believe in equal rights for homosexuals, though I
reserve the right to qualify that statement in my comments to follow.
Of course I reserve the right; it's my blog!
Back in 1994, the homosexual lobby pushed for and was
granted, by President Clinton, the right for homosexuals to serve in the
military. At that time, most homosexuals applauded the decision, and
most conservatives and Christians stood against it. I agreed with the
policy, agreed with Bill Clinton (one of the few times), disagreed with
most of my fellow Christians. Funny how time changes things: now, the
homosexual lobby hates it, and most conservatives and Christians seem to
have made their peace with it. I'm right where I've always been.
Why do I raise this issue? Because it illustrates to me, on the
part of my fellow Christians, an attitude that I find wrong-headed, and
it goes something like this: 'let's oppose anything and everything that
seems to remotely work to the benefit of homosexuals.' Maybe you're a
Christian, and you don't feel that way: good! But too many Christians
have, for too long, and many still seem to feel that way. For some
reason, we've taken this particular sin's deplorable as it is to many, I
grant and not only judged those guilty of it more harshly than others,
but used it as a club to deny some basic rights to homosexuals. If our
generals are convinced that military preparedness isn't compromised by
allowing homosexuals (who agree as a condition of soldiering not to make
their sexuality a known issue) to serve, then why would we oppose such,
except for what I've said: there are some folks who seem to act as
though any advance for homosexuals is an affront to God, and ought to be
opposed vigorously. I disagree strenuously with this point of view.
Before I proceed, let me make a point that is germane, and one
which I believe is often overlooked: what is legal, and what is moral,
overlap at some key points, but there's nothing approaching a
1-to-1 correspondence between the two nor, I would argue, ought
there to be. I illustrate thusly: there is absolutely nothing wrong
with driving on the left-hand side of the road; a continent of Europeans
do it, I'm given to understand, at least the Brits and I assume the
rest. There's no moral reason not to drive on the left, but there is
good reason why it ought to be illegal to drive on the left-hand side of
the road in America: it's legal to drive on the right! At this point,
and we can likely think of many examples of this, what's legal and
what's moral are two very different things. Taking the point the other
way, lying is wrong, condemned clearly by Scripture. And to be sure,
certain lies are considered criminal in the U.S. (libel, for instance),
but would any sane person want all lies to be criminalized? I rest my
case, fellow liars.
Therefore, it does not follow in a pluralistic society
that the simple fact that something is immoral means that that action
ought to be sanctioned. Many states had laws prohibiting
homosexual sexuality for years; some may still have that. Question:
what business is it of the state what two consenting adults do in
privacy? None. Every person ought to be able to leave their personal
effects to whomever they choose, and to have whomever in the hospital
room they choose. Laws that restrict homosexuals from these fundamental
human rights need to be removed from the books. We could think of
other laws as well.
Are there exceptions? I would make only a few (thus the asterisk
in my title), and the criterion would be one issue and one alone: does
the particular proposed right in question serve to do harm to others? I
would not, for instance, allow homosexual couples to adopt children; I
believe that this harms children, though I?ll quickly add that those
words ought not be taken as an endorsement of all heterosexual marriages
either.
Further, since I believe the primary purpose of the military is
to defend our country, and not to serve as a politically-correct
battlefield for social change, I would not be in favor of implementing
any policy which would serve to decrease military preparedness?which is
why I think ?don?t ask, don?t tell, don?t pursue? strikes the right
balance. One could probably envision another issue or two of similar
nature which would warrant something short of what we?d understand as 'equal rights'.
Finally, what about homosexual 'civil unions'? I'm just going to
confess here that I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, as I've
stated, I believe that we ought to go the extra mile to afford rights to
homosexuals that are as equal as prudently possible; at the same time, 'gay marriage' is a serious mistake for us to make societally, as I've
suggested previously. Here would be my two criterion for supporting 'civil unions': one, is this the only way, and not merely the most
expedient, to reasonably secure such rights in the area of relationships
between homosexuals? Two, will the push for 'gay marriage' end if we
grant this legal recourse? Under those two circumstances, which would be
difficult to guarantee, particularly the latter, I could be persuaded to
favor 'civil unions'.
There now, I've probably said enough in this post to anger folks
on both sides of this spectrum!
I didn’t realize until several years back that I was highly uncool,
by virtue of the fact that I own a minivan. Now, I mostly drive my
convertible these days—even though it’s an oldie (but not nearly
vintage, of course), it’s still cool—but we own a minivan, which my wife
(who’s blissfully unconcerned about cool, at least until she gets her
Mustang convertible in years to come) drives regularly. It’s
comfortable, functional, reasonably-economical. We haul family in it,
Chick-fil-A in it, yard tools and other things in it (though there has
never been a torture invented that is worthy of infliction upon whomever
invented the “easy-to-remove” rear seats).
The other day, I pull up behind a Lamborghini. Sweet machine.
Living in the ATL, we tend to see these types of beasts a little more
frequently than we did when living in small-town PA. I’ve got a friend
with a Lotus. Ferraris aren’t dime-a-dozen, but they’re around, and
Jags? Well, pretty commonplace. Then, a few minutes later, I pull up
beside a royal blue Honda Element. You probably know what I’m talking
about, but if you aren’t at all into cars (actually, for most of the
ladies in my reading audience, they stopped reading after the words
“royal blue”. “What kind of car was it, dear?” “Oh, it was a pretty
blue one.”), I should let you know that the Honda Element is, along with
the Toyota version of the same basic automobile, perhaps the ugliest
car ever to be built, or at least since AMC went out of business. This
thing is Ugly with a Transmission. It’s Rolling Repulsion, Grotesque on
Wheels, a Metal Monster. If you happen to drive one, may the Lord
bless you real good, and you’re a wonderful person, I’m sure, but your
car is not pretty.
But here’s the point: so what? So what?
I got to thinking about this some time back. What matters about a
car? Rephrasing that, what should matter about a car?
Let me suggest a few things. Does it effectively and efficiently get
you and yours to where you want to go? Can you take along the stuff you
need to? Is the driving experience enjoyable (this is the main reason I
bought the convertible—and it is fun, I assure you)? I could probably
think of one or two more things, but when you boil it down, those are
the things that really matter, right? And the fact of the matter is
that while you are doing what a car is designed to do, you can’t
even see what it looks like on the outside. It makes utterly
no difference.
So why this obsession with sleek cars, or cool cars, or cars that
look good? Seems to me it’s this, at least in significant part: we want
other people—most of whom we will never meet—to
see us in our cool cars, to agree that those cars are cool, to think
that we then are the coolest of people because we drive such neat
machines.
How silly is that, really? Really?
Someone has said that Americans spend money they don’t have, to buy
things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t like. In the case
of some people’s car-buying decisions, it’s to impress people they’ll
never meet.
A friend of mine in PA bought one of those hideous Elements a few
years back, and I sort of good-naturedly ribbed him about it. Bill
acknowledged that the thing wasn’t much to look at, but he said that it
really did for his family what they needed it to do.
And you know what? That’s plenty good enough. Or at least, it
should be.
That’ll be me in the Town & Country. Be sure to wave.
Mr. Billington is wrong. I do not believe in myself. And I
sincerely hope you don’t, either.
Here’s what the apostle Paul had to say in Romans 7:18
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my
flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability
to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do
not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it
is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
But here’s something else he had to say, in Philippians 4:
I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
Sound self-contradictory? Not at all. There’s one difference: Jesus.
In Him we live, and move, and have our being. In Him, we have life
more abundantly. What do we have, that we did not receive from Him?
The joy of the Lord is my strength—not any self-perceived strengths or
abilities or _______. No, I do not believe in myself; I believe in
Jesus. And in Jesus, I can win whatever victories God calls me to win,
conquer any armies He calls me to conquer, climb any mountains He needs
me to climb. G.K. Chesterton begins his magnum opus, Orthodoxy,
with these words:
Thoroughly worldly people never understand even the world; they
rely altogether on a few cynical maxims which are not true. Once I
remember walking with a prosperous publisher, who made a remark which I
had often heard before; it is, indeed, almost a motto of the modern
world. Yet I had heard it once too often, and I saw suddenly that there
was nothing in it. The publisher said of somebody, “That man will get
on; he believes in himself.” And I remember that as I lifted my head to
listen, my eye caught an omnibus on which was written “Hanwell.” I
said to him, “Shall I tell you where the men are who believe most in
themselves? For I can tell you. I know of men who believe in
themselves more colossally than Napoleon or Caesar. I know where flames
the fixed star of certainty and success. I can guide you to the
thrones of the Super-men. The men who really believe in themselves are
all in lunatic asylums.” He said mildly that there were a good many men
after all who believed in themselves and who were not in lunatic
asylums. “Yes, there are,” I retorted, “and you of all men ought to
know them. That drunken poet from whom you would not take a dreary
tragedy, he believed in himself. That elderly minister with an epic
from whom you were hiding in a back room, he believed in himself. If
you consulted your business experience instead of your ugly
individualistic philosophy, you would know that believing in himself is
one of the commonest signs of a rotter. Actors who can’t act believe in
themselves; and debtors who won’t pay. It would be much truer to say
that a man will certainly fail, because he believes in himself.
Complete self-confidence is not merely a sin; complete self-confidence
is a weakness. Believing utterly in one’s self is a hysterical and
superstitious belief like believing in Joanna Southcote: the man who
has it has `Hanwell’ written on his face as plain as it is written on
that omnibus.” And to all this my friend the publisher made this very
deep and effective reply, “Well, if a man is not to believe in himself,
in what is he to believe?” After a long pause I replied, “I will go
home and write a book in answer to that question.” This is the book
that I have written in answer to it.
Believe in myself? Why would I even want to, or to teach others to?
It would do us good to peruse what the “loyal opposition” is saying,
as exemplified by another writer in USA Today, this time a guy they gave
a column to:
I sincerely appreciate Mr. Benjamin’s patriotism and don’t question
it one whit: what I question is
Does he really understand what the Tea Party movement is all about?
Does he understand the red herrings that litter his piece and
demonstrate, once again, the convoluted reasoning of so many liberal
types?
Does he seriously believe that the Founding Fathers envisioned the
big government, bureaucratic mess that Washington has become?
Seriously? With a straight face?
Does he really think that comparing us to Europe or Japan persuades
anybody who can think for himself?
Does he really lack the imagination to envision an America that can
accomplish not only what he envisions, but so much more, without the
mess we have today, particularly the horrid entity he professes to love
so much, the income tax?
And does he really, honestly, “secretly love the ritual” of paying
income taxes? Does he also love, I don’t know, diphtheria, brussel
sprouts, and the designated hitter? Sheesh…
Part next in my series on homosexuality, written in response to the
honest inquiry of a friend, whom I’ll call “Bob”, instead of his actual
name, Aloysius. That’s a joke. Take a pill. “Bob” writes:
For the moment, and I would ask you to bear with me if my
thinking is not cutting edge theologically, let’s assume that there are
many who hold to a “change paradigm”, and see the very nature of being
(a self-described) homosexual as sinful; that is, the homosexual is a
sinner, by definition. Since we are all made in His image, and all
equivalently worthy, how can that be? Are we to believe that God made a
mistake when he caused so many of us to be homosexual or, worse, that
he did it just to cause suffering in those who do not conform to the
heterosexual ideal? In order to pose these questions, of course, you
have to believe that homosexuals are born, not made, and that is
certainly my contention.
Bob, you’ve repeated something here that I’ve heard on many
occasions, and I welcome the chance to try to give a clear explanation
of a sometimes-misunderstood Bible truth.
Several points need to be made here (with all due patience with
regard to your theological thinking, my friend!):
We need to understand what is—and what isn’t—meant by the term
“made in the image of God”. Of course, you refer to the first chapter
of Genesis, which tells us that God did create man and woman in His
image. The couple of questions that are germane to our discussion here
involve, first, what is meant by “in the image of God”, and second
(perhaps wrapped up in the first), is the question as to what the extent
of “in the image of God” means. Let’s rule out something right off the
bat: man doesn’t “look like” God. “God is spirit”, the Scripture says
in another place, and while we recognize that Jesus took on flesh and
lived among us as a human being, we don’t “look like” God. When we say
that man—in the aggregate, not a given, individual person, which is one
key to the question—is “created in the image of God”, we refer to
“personality”, as opposed to non-personality (as in the animals, etc.).
Intellect, emotion, and will; self-awareness; conscience, and a sense
of right and wrong; these and perhaps a few others we could name are the
stuff of personhood, and man reflects God in these key respects. And
so when we say this, we are referring to “mankind” as opposed to all
other forms of God’s creation.
This, then, helps us to answer the “if God made me this way”
question. The simple answer is, “God didn’t”, at least not in the sense
meant when we speak of “the image of God”. Of course I’ve already
attempted a definition of the very term “homosexual”; a person with a
strong temptation toward homosexuality is not, in the Bible’s
definition, a homosexual; this is not his identity. He only becomes a
homosexual when he commits a homosexual act (or, as I suggested in my
previous article, we might not even label a person a “homosexual” as a
result of one or two isolated acts, though the person would be guilty of
sin in those acts). But that’s old ground. The main point is that
“I’m created in the image of God”, and “God created me a homosexual”,
are not by any means equivalent terms (nor is the latter true). The
Scripture is clear that God does not tempt a person to sin (and that is
an across-the-board statement with regard to any/all sin). Were God to
be “guilty as charged” of “causing” people to be homosexual”, then we
would indeed have the conundrum you describe.
I do not pretend to understand why some people are tempted with
some things and other people with other things. I’ve never been tempted
by homosexuality, nor with substance abuse; neither of those things has
ever been even remotely of interest to me. Why are they such
temptations to some people, and none to others? I think that for
anybody to suggest that they know definitively is presumptuous to the
max. Nor do I have any guess as to why some temptations are stronger
for some people than for others—check that, this much can be said: when a
person gives in to a given temptation, the likelihood is that it will
become easier to do so the next time; i.e., the temptation will be
stronger, in that respect. That said, I don’t concur with your
contention that “homosexuals are born, not made”—I don’t believe the
evidence is nearly so clear on that point as you might think, as popular
as it is to say and hear that. Throckmorton has done a whole lot of
digging into this very thing, and I believe you’d be surprised at some
of his findings as to the fluidity of sexual attraction. That may sound
funny, even contradictory, given his stated belief that the majority of
people with same-sex attraction do not change, but there seems to be
enough fluidity to suggest that things aren’t nearly so cut-and-dried as
we are led to believe.
It seems to me, Bob, that the above points will help us to answer
some of the other questions you raise—but alas, those questions will
have to wait for another day! Thanks again for the stimulating spur to
my thinking!
Refresher (or intro, if this is your first visit to this series,
in which case, I recommend highly that you visit the first three
installments): “Bob”, a friend of mine, posed some questions to me about
the subject of homosexuality, and I decided to attempt a somewhat
comprehensive (is that an oxymoron, like military intelligence? Hmmm…)
series of posts with regard to my thinking on the subject. “Bob’s”
words are in bold/italic, whilst mine are
simply in italic. On to the next installment!
You and Throckmorton seem to agree that it is next to
impossible to force, or even encourage convincingly, a homosexual to
change, to become heterosexual. That is why convergence may be the best
hope of those who would try to help homosexuals cope in a religious
context. Oh, I know there are family circumstances (a weak and/or
remote father and a strong, omnipresent, emasculating mother) that can
sissify even the most firmly heterosexual boy, and the effect on a young
fellow with homosexual tendencies can only accentuate the stress and
confusion of growing up with ill-defined gender perceptions. But even
the most smothering of mothers can’t make a homosexual; he or she has to
be born with whatever it ultimately takes, and that’s God’s doing.
I would qualify the first sentence. I would say that it is
utterly impossible to force, and very difficult to encourage
convincingly, a homosexual to change his basic attraction, and yes,
that’s why the “convergence paradigm” is the most realistic scenario to
encourage. I’ve answered the last sentence in my previous post, that I
cannot concede (on the basis of the evidence) the idea that a person is
always “born homosexual”, and as I argued, we can in no circumstance
say, “this was God’s doing”. I realize that my assertion cuts the feet
out from under a significant part of the argument, Bob; I do not concede
a key premise, and therefore any conclusions based upon this premise
are, in my judgment, flawed.
Here I have to take exception to the position you
apparently share with Throckmorton. Recognizing that we can’t actually
change a homosexual, we have the following option, described variably by
you in your dialogue with Throckmorton:
Change in the direction of essential attractions,
May be better described as better control behavioral
control,
The objective is to align behavior and will to Christian
teachings.
Hmmm. Sound familiar? How about “Don’t ask, don’t
tell?” Apparently we would ask a homosexual to deny his/her basic
identity and live a lie. How can that be consistent with God’s will?
They are here among us because God created them, in his image . . . .
except for the flaw we good Christians insist on pointing out. Why
should homosexuals not be allowed to share communion with the rest of us
who shun them for something that was not of their doing?
I will, before I move on, make an interesting observation—one
which will, incidentally, presage some of my later comments as to the
stance I believe society ought to take on the subject. Back in 1994, I
believe it was, Bill Clinton initiated the “don’t ask, don’t tell”
policy. It found nearly universal acceptance by the gay lobby.
Interestingly enough, I was one of the few conservatives—particularly
among Christians, and setting myself apart from the so-called “Religious
Right”—who supported the policy. I believed that it struck an
appropriate balance between giving all people the right to serve in the
military, on the one hand, and not compromising military readiness, on
the other hand. I see no reason to change the policy now, because I
think it preserves that balance quite well. Back to the subject…
You raise the issue of “denying (a person’s) basic identity and
living a lie”. This might be problematic if indeed this was what was
being done, but it isn’t; allow me to explain. The most fundamental,
most basic, identity for the Christian (and that’s what we’re talking
about in the “convergence paradigm”, though I suppose technically we’re
talking about a person of whatever “religious stripe”) is not his
sexuality; rather, the first and foremost identity for the Christian is
his relationship to Jesus Christ. This identity dwarfs everything else
in the life of the Christian (or should, I ought to say). I would argue
that the elevation of sexuality to the place where, to deny this is,
above all else, a denial of one’s identity might be evidence of a
fundamental societal problem. But we are sure trained to think that
way, aren’t we?
Further, there is a completely different “orientation” (to use
that term in a different sense!) for the Christian, as opposed to the
secular man. Interesting that this comes up here, because the following
is a verbatim quote from my sermon notes for this coming Sunday:
“Ravi Zacharias makes a tremendous point about the difference between
a Christian and an atheist, which bears repeating here. He says that
the most basic difference is this: the Christian does
what he does on the basis of who he is;
the atheistic existentialist defines who he is on the
basis of what he does. The Christian, in other words,
says, “I am one who is created in the image of God, bought by the blood
of Jesus, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I know who I am,
because I know where I came from and where I’m going.”
Therefore, I will live in such-and-such a way. The
atheist can’t say what he is other than as a result of
what he does. He has no answer for his existence, for purpose or
meaning in life, and so whatever he does must be the right thing
to do, because what is, is right, in his eyes. His morality
has no reference point beyond himself, so what he thinks and
does must be right!”
Point is that the utterly secular man says, “X is
what I do; therefore, Y is what I must be”. The
Christian says just the opposite: “My identity is A,
therefore I must do B.” There is no contradiction of
basic identity—even as there is admittedly a struggle in the area of
sexuality. But even there, we must ask, is this only an issue for the
homosexual? Immediately we see that it is not, that such dilemmas exit
for more heterosexuals than for homosexuals? What about the widower?
What about the never-married? What about the divorced? The Christian
sexual ethic is precise: sexual expression is only to find place in the
context of a monogamous marriage between man and woman. Are we asking
heterosexuals to deny their identity, to live a lie, when we insist on
this? Of course not; we are asking them to live in congruence with the
most fundamental aspect of their identity: their commitment to Jesus
Christ.
Finally, and I won’t belabor this, the word “shun” is a word that
needs to be used very carefully in this context. I would not use the
term, but if you want to use it, here’s how I’d define it: we do not
‘water down’ or abrogate the teaching of Scripture for any reason; if
that has the effect of turning away people, we can be sorry, but it is
not compassionate to tell people a lie in order to attempt to stay in
their good graces.
I think where I come down on the issue is this: we can’t
condemn homosexuals because they were made that way, and we should
neither expect them to change nor to materially alter their behavioral
patterns. To assume any other posture is to consign them to eternal
torment and to render their time here on earth emotionally debilitating.
Obviously by now, Bob, you can anticipate how I’d answer much of
this paragraph, given that I don’t grant some of the premises upon which
it is built. I would only add this word—again, built upon my first
post and fundamental premise: if the Bible is the Word of God—and we are
only humbly attempting to be faithful to it—then the “condemning”
doesn’t come (perhaps I should say, “shouldn’t come”) from us; rather, a
condemnation of certain behavior comes directly from the text of
Scripture. Thus, whatever consequences flow from the choices people
make do not come from what we do.
Let’s look at your final sentence a different way. “Congruence”
is what all Christians practice, to one degree or another. We are all
desperately sinful; the man who lives a perfectly outwardly moral life
probably deals with so much inner pride as to make him a worse sinner
than anyone (C.S. Lewis has much to say about this). Do I always want
to do what the Bible tells me I should? Turn the other cheek,
when I’d like to sock the guy in the kisser? Refrain from coveting,
when the thing my neighbor drives look like so much fun? Tell the
truth, when it gets me in hot water, and lying would be so easy?
Perhaps you’d argue that these are trivial issues in relation to one’s
sexuality—and I don’t disagree, at least for a percentage of people.
But the point remains: congruence is altogether appropriate for the
committed Christian (all the while praying, as I often do but ought more
often yet), “Lord, change my want-to’s!”
Finally, while we’re tallying up the emotional dissonance a
homosexual might feel by attempting to live a celibate, God-honoring
life, let’s not discount the emotional dissonance that a person might
feel who attempts to justify his homosexual behavior despite his
profession to be a follower of Jesus. If Jesus is truly first in my
life—and that’s the call for Christians, to take up our crosses and
follow daily (no padded crosses out there!)—then when I sin (regardless
of what that sin might be), I’d better feel some real emotional
debilitation. In fact, if I don’t, something is very, very wrong (at
least when I sin willfully). I don’t want to discount at all the
significance of the issues you raise here, but I believe that what seem
to be peculiar, or extenuating, circumstances for the person tempted by
homosexuality are not, in reality, nearly as extenuating as they might
seem at first blush.
Now and again, as a service to TNKZ readers, I like to take a liberal 'argument' and pick it to shreds. Yes, granted, that can often be like shooting fish in a barrel, but it's good sport, even if it isn't particularly hard sometimes. OK, in fairness, sometimes conservatives can make some fairly shoddy arguments as well, and one of these days, I'll skewer Neal Boortz or somebody (whose argumentation doesn't impress me at times, even though we're more often than not on the same side of the fence). Today's article is a letter to the editor of USA Today, which I encountered whilst lunching at Chick-fil-A, and which caused me a severe case of eye-rolling; here its, reproduced in all its' glory.'
This country should give the 'Tea Party' exactly what it wants: No more taxes (?Yes, I love taxes,? The Forum, Thursday). Then, of course, all other services that are paid for by everyone else?s taxes shouldn't?t be made available to members of the Tea Party movement. That would include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits, our highway system, police protection, fire protection, public schools, libraries, and all other government agencies and entities that receive government funds.
We would soon see how long the Tea Party would survive in its own tax-free world.
Leon Rodriguez
Denver
Ah, dear Leon, where to begin, where to begin... how about with a general editorial comment before we get into dismantling this silliness: if you aren't able to make an intelligent, adult argument, you probably oughtn't try, because you only make yourself look silly. That out of the way, here we go:
This country should give the 'Tea Party' exactly what it wants: No more taxes. Winning an Argument 101: look for a faulty premise. In this case, dear Leon has posited a premise that is, well, ludicrous. Asinine. Supply-your-own-adjective-here. Mr. Rodriguez, can you name one Tea Partier who has suggested that the government ought not levy, in any way, shape, or form, any taxes upon American citizens? Yes, many of us believe that the IRS and the income tax have a significantly dilatory effect on the economy (and do a whole lot of other awful things, the likes of which we won't delve into here), but I'm not aware of a single soul who believes that Americans ought to pay 'no more taxes'. You've confused us, apparently, with anarchists, which we are not. We believe that there are some legitimate (but limited) functions of government, beginning with providing a strong national defense, and ensuring domestic tranquility through a court system which engages in the promotion of real justice (not to be confused with the faux brand of 'social justice' which too often serves to provide cover for the redistribution of wealth). I don't mind paying taxes for needed infrastructure; thank you very much for I-75. Of course we need police (because unlike some in the progressive movement, most of us Tea Partiers understand original sin, and we don't believe man is innately good).
That would include Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits? Seriously? Can we get out? Yes, Mr. Rodriguez, allow us the ' freedom and responsibility' of providing for our own health care and retirement, and many of us would gladly jump at that opportunity rather than contribute to the Ponzi scheme that we call Socialist Security, a Ponzi scheme that is unsustainable (as are all Ponzi schemes), which robs us of freedom in the name of security, and which returns to us a benefit that amounts to pennies on the dollar in comparison with what we could do with our own money.
Our highway system, police protection, fire protection? I'll revert to my previous arguments here, of course; Mr. Rodriguez want to name a single individual (one will do just fine, sir), who believes that we ought not provide such services through an equitable system of taxation?
Public schools? Please, oh please, Mr. Rodriguez, we'd be happy, well no, I don't guess I can speak for the Tea Party movement en masse here, but I can speak for myself, happy to move away from the failed system of public education and toward one in which parents exercise responsibility for the education of their own children, rather than turning them over to the state. In a heartbeat.
Libraries? Probably some difference of opinion on this one as well, and the strict libertarian in me doesn't't like what the practical part of me will write here, but I don't mind paying for public libraries at all.
Other government agencies and entities that receive government funds? Well, since you haven?t chosen to enumerate, Mr. Rodriguez, all I can say is that yes, I'd be thrilled if most of the other functions of government, other than the legitimate ones I've named, would be dismantled. Thrilled. Start with a welfare system (and all its entailment) that harms the very people it purports to serve, making of them, effectively, wards of the state (ah, but dependable Democrat voters!), and then go from there. Be happy for most of that extraneous stuff to swirl its way down the drain of American history.
We would soon see how long the Tea Party would survive in its own tax-free world? To quote the late, great Ronaldus Maximus,'there you go again'. How long would the Tea Party (and America) not only survive, but thrive in, not a 'tax-free world' that is the figment of Mr. Rodriguez' imagination, but the freedom-loving, low-tax, small government world envisioned, not only by the Tea Party movement, but by some guys named Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Hancock, et al!
There are people who get really antsy when I talk about the
generosity of individuals—but I don’t care; I’m going to talk about it
anyway, because what we voluntarily give says more about us than most
anything else when it comes to our personal priorities. And so with
that thought in mind, we now have access to the priorities of the two
leading liberals in our country, President Obama and Vice-President
Biden.
I will congratulate the president; this return compares favorably
with some of his returns from previous years, which demonstrated him to
be, frankly, a pretty stingy individual. That said, I’d hardly gush
with the praise heaped on him in this article, which says he was
“very generous, giving $329,100 to 40 different charities.”
On an income of $5.5 million? Seriously? They’re impressed by that? I
suppose that compared with a lot of Americans, it’s not terribly bad,
but if you read the article and do the math, it indicates that after
taxes, the Prez and First Lady still had nearly $4 million left
over—which means that after they gave, they still had a cool $3.6
million. Yawn. Not terribly impressive on the old giving scale; if I
made that much jack and gave less than a million, I’d be embarrassed,
frankly, and I don’t say that to toot my own horn; sheesh, shouldn’t
something in that ballpark that just be par for the course, particularly
for a professing Christian? Not even a hard call.
But alas, that liberal paragon Joe Biden, on a salary of over $330K,
forked over less than 5 large to charity. Sorry, but that’s just
downright stingy. Not that that keeps people like Mr. Biden from
supporting tax increases so that our money is forcibly confiscated by
Washington in order to support whatever “beneficial social program” the
liberals deem necessary. This reminds me of the old adage that there’s
nothing particularly virtuous about being willing to try to do good with
other people’s money—not that that’s ever stopped a liberal politician,
mind you…
This comes from the “Out of Ur Newsletter”, delivered weekly to my
inbox courtesy of Christianity Today. These are recent quotes from
pastors:
“If you’re going to catch a fish, you have to have bait.
If it takes a helicopter dropping 5,000 eggs to get people to come to
church, it’s worth it. There are souls to save.”
—Matt Woodfill, pastor of The Woodlands Christian Center in Houston
describes his church’s Easter outreach strategy.
“They’re coming for the loot and they’re going to leave
with Jesus.”
—Pastor Bill Cornelius from Bay Area Fellowship Church in Corpus
Christi, Texas, about giving away 16 cars and 15 televisions during
their Easter celebration.
“Barbie’s very versatile that way. She’s open to new
possibilities, so evangelism is definitely in her future.”
—Rev. Dena Cleaver-Bartholomew, rector of Christ (Episcopal) Church, in
Manlius, New York, and the creator of Episcopal Priest Barbie Facebook
page.
“We paid the electric bill, we paid the heat, we paid the
bills.”
—Pastor Robert Farah of Center Harbor Christian Church in New Hampshire,
explaining what he did with $470,000 his son allegedly stole from
investors and donated to his father’s church.
If I agreed with any of the philosophies espoused by these pastors, I
believe I’d quit pastoral ministry tomorrow (although I’m not sure
about the Barbie thing…).
As a communicator, there’s sometimes a fine line between using strong
language to make a point, on the one hand, and throwing words around
carelessly and irresponsibly. I’d like to report that I’ve never
crossed that line…but while I might like to report that, it wouldn’t be
true. As I wrote a couple weeks back, I’m trying to redouble my efforts
to check my wording on some things more carefully before I go public.
There is a “controversy” of sorts that has brewed in the evangelical
world over the course of the last few weeks, ever since John Piper,
darling of the conservative and Reformed branch of evangelicalism,
invited Rick Warren to appear at his Desiring God conference this fall.
Warren is viewed with downright scorn by at least a certain vocal
segment of this movement, and predictably, many were up in arms,
reacting with horror to Piper’s invitation extended to this man they
view as a pragmatist who waters down the gospel, who represents so much
of what they abhor about the contemporary evangelical movement.
An aside: though I have benefited from some of Warren’s writing, I
have increasingly viewed a lot of what he says and does with skepticism
myself. I understand a lot of where these folks are coming from, and I
sympathize with it. Some of the positions Warren takes have a level of,
I believe, danger inherent in them.
But one of the things that has been thrown around is the word
“heretic” to describe Rick Warren. Seriously. Folks, say what you will
about Mr. Warren, and there are some things to say, to be sure, but Rick
Warren is no “heretic”. And I wrote all this to make
a point that Trevin Wax makes in this article about the controversy:
When you use the word “heretic” to refer to anyone who
disagrees with you, you don’t have a good word to use to refer to
someone who actually fits the bill.
Couldn’t said that better myself. Wax references Jerry Falwell, who a
few years back used the “H word” to refer to folks who believe in the
Calvinist doctrine of “limited atonement”. Do I disagree with “limited
atonement”? Absolutely. Are people who hold to it “heretics”?
Please. Spare me.
We’d all do well to remember—particularly if we “c0mmunicate for a
living”—that words mean things, and we do no service to anyone when we
cheapen those words by over-speaking.
Can of worms alert: if you’re not
in the mood to get into something that might get uncomfortable, perhaps
you’d better go here.
Have a nice day.
My daughter’s favorite radio station is The Fish 104.7. It’s a
nice-enough joint, I guess; I listen along sometimes. I will even play
real, real nice and resist the incredible urge to do a riff on their tag
line: “Safe for the Whole Family”. I won’t even ask the question, “is
Jesus really safe?” Or, maybe I just did…but go write
your own post; that’s not what this one is about. No, instead of
opening that can of worms, I’m going to open a different one, brought on
by The Fish’s promotion of Amy Grant, who’s in town at Family Christian
Stores—resist, Byron, resist the urge to do a riff on how much is
“Christian” about Family Christian Stores—OK, urge resisted, that can of
worms left to be opened by somebody else.
Ah, Ms. Grant. A little history, here: when I went off to Bible
college, I believe the first cassette (remember those?) I purchased was
Ms. Grant’s first album, a self-titled offering that was what I think
you’d call “Bubblegum Pop” as to its styling, a fun little thing with
some songs that ranged from the silly (“There’s a grape, grape joy in
Jesus, in the vineyard of the Lord”) to the more serious, I guess (“The
Lord has a will, and I have a need, to follow that will…”). Funny…go
looking for that album now, and you get the new, updated cover art
(considerably more flattering than the original cover art—but I’ve
reproduced the latter). At any rate, I loved Amy, scarfed up her stuff,
overlooked some things that I didn’t care for so much. After all, Amy
was my age (she turns 50 this year, two-and-a-half months after I hit
that same milestone; I’m going out on a limb to say that she wears those
nearly-50-years a little better than do I, though if I had her stylists
and beauty consultants…never mind). To this day, if you asked me what
albums I loved the most, of all I’ve ever owned, I’d have to put
“Straight Ahead” and “Lead Me On” very, very high on that list.
At any rate, I stuck with Amy, even when she admitted that sometimes
she was…well, let’s say she used a word that indicated she sometimes
felt in a way that would indicate she’d like to have sex (shocking!
Christians sometimes feel that way? My word…), and even when she said
that she enjoyed a beer sometimes (what? A Christian? No!). I’ve seen
her in concert on several occasions, and on the last occasion, at a
Christmas concert sometime in the late 90’s, I actually got to go
backstage and meet her, had my picture taken with her, etc.
OK, so holding all that history in mind, fast-forward to a few years
ago. Amy and her husband of many years, Gary Chapman (saw ‘em in
concert, in Roanoke, when they toured together, prior to them being
husband and wife; in keeping with the theme of “Amy is just a step
behind Byron Harvey in life”, she and Gary were married the day after
Karen and I), had had some marital struggles, fueled in part by some
serious substance issues Gary was dealing with (and about which he has
been candid, to his credit). We’re all sinners; we all struggle with
stuff; Jesus loves us all in spite of, not because of, our junk. Gary
and Amy are no different in that respect.
But Amy chose to divorce Gary. Now, in one very real sense, that’s
just none of my business, or yours. None…in one sense.
What goes on in their home doesn’t affect me, except that any time a
professed Christian marriage fails, it’s a shame, and casts a negative
light on the name and cause of Christ. Her rationale was the
oft-repeated refrain of “irreconcilable differences”, and I’ll again use
exemplary restraint with regard to my feelings on that term, except to
say that in a marriage between Christians, there is no such
thing. I say that granting immediately that it certainly
“takes two to tango” when it comes to marriage, that there is such a
thing as an “innocent party” (not a “perfect party”, of course, but in
our parlance, an “innocent” one), that marriage is tough enough when two
sinners are married to each other in Christ, and it’s gotta be just
incredibly difficult under other circumstances. But back to the point
of this paragraph: in one sense, the circumstances of their divorce is
none of my business.
But in another sense, the circumstances of their divorce is very much
my business, and the business of every Christian who does things like
listen to The Fish 104.7, or who frequents Family Christian Stores,
etc., and it is this: while Christians, sadly, get divorced all the
time, the standard is higher for those who would profess to stand and
sing—or teach—or preach—for Christ. Now, I’m open to the argument that
the standard isn’t as high for someone such as, say, Ms. Grant as it is
for me in that regard; I’m not sure I buy it, but I’m open to it. Fair
enough. But what I’m not open to is the uncritical acceptance
and promotion of any person—Amy Grant, Billy Graham, Byron
Harvey, anybody—as a qualified and fitting
promoter of Christian faith. And that’s where the rub comes
in. But I’m still not ready to answer the question I raised in the
post’s title, because I want to be perfectly, crystal clear before I do:
I do not in any way, shape, or form sit in judgment upon Ms.
Grant’s eternal soul. In fact, I accept her profession of
Jesus as Savior. One might argue that there is evidence to the
contrary, but there’s evidence to the contrary in every Christian’s
life—mine included—and so this post is categorically not about calling
her salvation into question.
I do not claim to have detailed knowledge of her
circumstances. What I have are questions, nothing more and
nothing less, questions which have never, to the best of my
understanding, ever been answered (and I have sought answers; that’s a
different post). Questions which ought to be asked of Ms. Grant, yea,
of anybody in this situation. I do not have answers—but the questions
need to be asked, at least before uncritical allegiance is given.
I do not make the claim that Ms. Grant’s subsequent
remarriage to Vince Gill constitutes adultery. I’ll refer you
to the previous bullet point. It might constitute adultery, but it’s
possible that she had Biblical grounds to divorce Mr. Chapman; I simply
don’t know. Do know this: if she didn’t have such grounds, then she is
living in an adulterous situation. Once again, let me be clear: there
are many, many professing Christians who are in this situation, and
many, many professing Christians who have repented of that sin, and it
is my counsel to them—and to Ms. Grant, if this is her situation—to
remain now in that situation, because another divorce is not the
answer. But my point is, I don’t know.
And that’s just the point: I don’t know. You don’t know. And some
things about the situation, I don’t care to know, don’t deserve to know,
shouldn’t know. But prior to encouraging my daughter to listen to Ms.
Grant’s music; prior to buying her music myself (and I’m sure it’s
beautiful, particularly given my educated hunch that she’s mellowed
musically through the years, matching my mellowed tastes); prior to
endorsing her in doing what she’s doing, there are some questions that,
in my judgment, need to be answered. Indeed, the failure to ask such
questions strikes me as a prime example of one of the most devastating
plagues currently…plaguing…the evangelical movement in America: an
appalling lack of discernment. Ironically, The Fish 104.7 was
soliciting “Questions for Amy Grant” this morning.
So you know, I was a good boy…
But here are the questions I’d ask Amy Grant:
Amy, did you have Biblical grounds to divorce Gary Chapman?
I won’t go here into what those grounds are; those of you who are
believers probably (hopefully) have some idea of what they might be,
even if we might differ on certain particulars. Now obviously, if her
answer were “yes”, most of the follow-up questions would be rendered
moot. I’ll actually assume a “yes” answer for the next question, and a
“no” answer for the rest.
Amy, was your relationship with Vince Gill completely
aboveboard during your marriage to Mr. Chapman, and would an
independent, knowledgeable observer of it agree that it was?
Again, I stress that I do not know the answer; these are questions,
folks. I raise this one, though, because her former husband has
suggested this not to be the case. He could be lying. He could be
bitter. But isn’t the question worth asking?
Assuming a “no” to the first question (as I will do from here on
out), Amy, what kind of accountability to a local church—and its
leadership—was in place in your life during the period that led up to,
and included, your divorce—and did you submit yourselves fully to this
authority? This question is critical, and ought to be critical
for all believers: under whose authority—real, legitimate, Biblical
authority with teeth in it—do you live? Are you part of a
church, Christian, that is willing (if need be, perish the thought) to
kick you out? If not, you have two legitimate options: one, demand of
leadership that it changes its ways such that it becomes a church
willing to kick people out, or two, leave that church and find a real
one. Yes, you heard me.
Amy, did a church work with you through the process of
repentance, confession, and restoration—and then did that church
pronounce you restored, and ready again to minister publicly? If so,
what church is that? There is not a bone in my body that
believes that a divorced person is forever disqualified from
ministering, depending on the circumstances, of course (which again, we
won’t get into here). But when a person sins so publicly, there must be
real repentance and restoration; absent and until this, the person is
disqualified from holding such a public position of Christian leadership
(check that: delete “public”).
Amy, particularly given your high profile, do you have an
ongoing accountability relationship even now with a church/its
leadership whereby you are held accountable? This question
relates to the possibility that she’d fall again into the same sin—and
to what would keep her from again tarnishing the reputation of Christ in
this way (again, I’m only assuming a “no” to the first
question, not making any judgment).
One more question, Amy (and I ask this to any
Christian radio station/publisher/bookseller that would promote her):
if a young lady were facing the exact same circumstances as you did in
your marriage to Gary, would you counsel her to take the same action you
did—and can you justify this Biblically? This goes to
questions of “hero worship”, and to her current fidelity to the
Scriptures. If Ms. Grant is indeed ministering for the Lord, then she
must be in line with clear Bible teaching. This question goes to that.
The deeper point isn’t really about Amy Grant at all; it’s rather
about some other things:
Our obsession as evangelicals with the bigger, the “better”, the
more glamorous, the “we’re as hip and cool as the world”—and the way
that causes us to gloss over and/or excuse failings in the lives of our
“heroes”;
The lack of accountability on the parts of so many of our “heroes”,
our “Christian radio stations”, our publishing houses, our “Christian”
booksellers;
The glaring lack of discernment that is being fostered by some of
the above, and complicit in this are a good percentage of churches and
Christian leaders that just look the other way, at best;
The woeful ecclesiology of many (dare I say, most?) Christians, such
that the local church is effectively superfluous.
I tried once to address some of these issues with several different
folks, including a church that was hosting her concert in the Pittsburgh
area (I got what was, effectively, a pleasant brush-off). I tried to
address them with the general manager of the Pittsburgh equivalent of
The Fish 104.7; for my trouble, I got the nastiest email I’ve ever
received in my life (and frankly, it’s not even close). I tried a
couple of other routes—but everybody wants to sweep questions like these
under the rug. It’s easier just to turn the music up and sing along,
apparently…
I want to close with a few words directed toward Amy Grant (not that I
believe she’s reading—though she oughta be, right? If so, hey Amy!
Remember me?): first, I rejoice in the common salvation that I believe
we share in Jesus Christ. I do not hesitate to call her “sister”.
Second, I am thankful for how her music ministered to me for many, many
years. “Grape, Grape Joy in Jesus” didn’t do much for me, but Michael
Card’s “El Shaddai” played in my head over and over; “Sing Your Praise
to the Lord” reminded me to do just that; about 2/3 of the Lead Me On
album hit me from every which angle and both ministered to me and
pummeled me around a little bit. And I could go on in that regard,
though time has faded some of those songs from memory, and it’s been
years since I’ve listened. Third, her gifts and talents can, and will,
be used by God as they have been. God uses frail people such as us,
warts and all. If He can use me… Fourth, these questions, if she’s
never answered them (and I’m not aware that she has), need to be
answered, and maybe some more. What a testimony of God’s
grace could be wrought from “coming clean” on these issues. Finally,
God’s grace is where it’s at; it’s what it’s all about. It’s available
and lavish and undeserved and costly and free at the same time, and
without it, we’re all sunk. With it, the words of “1974″ ring again so
true:
Purer than the sky,
Behind the rain.
Falling down all around us,
Calling out from a boundless love.
Love had lit a fire;
We were the flame.
Burning into the darkness,
Shining out from inside us.
Stay with me.
Make it ever new,
So time will not undo,
As the years go by,
How I need to see
That’s still me.
I’m adding “Words Fail Me…” as a new blog category, because I find
this increasingly to be the case in the insane world in which we live.
So I see Blockbuster is going out of business down the street, and I
decide, since I’m going to be starring as Harold Hill in The Music Man
in a few weeks, to see if either the 1962 version, or the newer one with
Matthew Broderick and Kristen Chenowyth, is for sale (they weren’t).
But I happen down the horror aisle and catch one title that I had to
grab from the shelf to see if it was honest-to-goodness for-real—and to
my…horror…it was.
And so, I’m thinking, how utterly miserable must your life be, that
you’d give, what, an hour-and-a-half of it up to watch
this…this…this…words fail me.
But there’s more; when I Googled it, I learned, much to
my…horror…that there’s a sequel:
The president of the United States
of America—or, what’s left of it—actually said this, on the heels of the
passage of this damnable legislation called “health care reform”, a
piece of legislation about which the American people had made themselves
abundantly clear (in the negative):
“We proved that this government, a government of the
people and by the people, still works for the people.”
Yes, he actually said that. Presumably, with a straight face.
I will withhold the full fury of my
thoughts until Obamacare passes, if indeed it does, this travesty that
is being foisted on the American public against its will by a lying
President, a power-possessed Speaker, and a tone-deaf Democrat
Congress. But in the meantime, here are two articles that need to be
read, particularly the first, by Peggy Noonan.
The first deals with the embarrassment that Mr. Obama has already
become, so quickly in his administration; that this man is deceitful is
obvious; that his ideology is far-leftist is clear; that he is in way
over his head experience-wise isn’t hard to discern at all. Peggy
Noonan’s article deals mainly with the latter, and his pitiful attempts
to cover up this fact.
The second, by Freddie Barnes, deals with the fact that passing
Obamacare will signal, not the end, but the beginning of a long, drawn
out fight that may last decades. Good reading, both.
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